Comments on: Forced To Write English Syntax Code – Simplicity or Burden? http://www.codesqueeze.com/forced-to-write-english-syntax-code-simplicity-or-burden/ Ideas for building efficient developers and software Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:19:55 +0000 hourly 1 By: foutsc http://www.codesqueeze.com/forced-to-write-english-syntax-code-simplicity-or-burden/#comment-2099 foutsc Tue, 06 May 2008 12:55:11 +0000 http://www.codesqueeze.com/forced-to-write-english-syntax-code-simplicity-or-burden/#comment-2099 hehehe... We're trying to give them back but the locals aren't cooperating! Anyway, I was referring more to a quaint little place called Old Europe. -- Nietzsche is Dead hehehe… We’re trying to give them back but the locals aren’t cooperating!

Anyway, I was referring more to a quaint little place called Old Europe.

– Nietzsche is Dead

]]> By: Gregorio Melo http://www.codesqueeze.com/forced-to-write-english-syntax-code-simplicity-or-burden/#comment-1925 Gregorio Melo Thu, 01 May 2008 13:04:43 +0000 http://www.codesqueeze.com/forced-to-write-english-syntax-code-simplicity-or-burden/#comment-1925 hehehe Like the U.S. has done with the Afgans and the Iraqi? hehehe

Like the U.S. has done with the Afgans and the Iraqi?

]]> By: foutsc http://www.codesqueeze.com/forced-to-write-english-syntax-code-simplicity-or-burden/#comment-1891 foutsc Thu, 01 May 2008 03:47:34 +0000 http://www.codesqueeze.com/forced-to-write-english-syntax-code-simplicity-or-burden/#comment-1891 Save the world and then give it all back like the US has done and maybe we'd try coding in your little language. Save the world and then give it all back like the US has done and maybe we’d try coding in your little language.

]]> By: Thomas Lafferty http://www.codesqueeze.com/forced-to-write-english-syntax-code-simplicity-or-burden/#comment-1816 Thomas Lafferty Wed, 30 Apr 2008 05:14:34 +0000 http://www.codesqueeze.com/forced-to-write-english-syntax-code-simplicity-or-burden/#comment-1816 Great, entertaining, and hopefully tongue-in-cheek. Being one of those rare Americans who have actually ventured to the end of that dirt road and onto the great paved highways and beyond, I've actually made it across that big pond separating us. A few minor points though...last time I checked the E.U wasn't a country (yet). Oh, and I've lived there too... the entire time I spent living in the UK I was constantly asked if I new so and so. People found it incomprehensible I hadn't been to the Grand Canyon, having no concept of the fact it was 2200 miles from where I lived. They also failed to comprehend that the entire continent of Europe at 3.9 million square miles was only a slight tad larger than our country at 3.8, or that many of your countries were smaller in population than many of our large metropolitan areas. As far as American Imperial aspirations go, all I can say is if we were imperial...you wouldn't have that pesky French-German-English problem now, would you? Our problem is we keep conquering Europe and giving it back. All kidding aside though, I found that older Europeans valued American contributions to western civilization, vis a vis WWII... and had many a pint on their graciousness. Being the straw in mouth hick that we Americans are... Living in Asia I appreciated the fact that most of them could speak English, if you were nice to them, even learned a little Hangul myself. Just give up the act... we know you all speak English and forcing us to order in French in a cafe in Paris is part of some elaborate inside joke at our expense, and as soon as we are gone you all (or should that be Y'all) go back to speaking English. Seriously though, isn't our common heritage that of Western Civilization? Who do you want as your closest allies, the communist Chinese? (Oh, sorry, I forgot communist wasn't a bad word over there). And if the rest of your posts are this entertaining, I'll link it. Cheers! Finntann Great, entertaining, and hopefully tongue-in-cheek. Being one of those rare Americans who have actually ventured to the end of that dirt road and onto the great paved highways and beyond, I’ve actually made it across that big pond separating us. A few minor points though…last time I checked the E.U wasn’t a country (yet). Oh, and I’ve lived there too… the entire time I spent living in the UK I was constantly asked if I new so and so. People found it incomprehensible I hadn’t been to the Grand Canyon, having no concept of the fact it was 2200 miles from where I lived. They also failed to comprehend that the entire continent of Europe at 3.9 million square miles was only a slight tad larger than our country at 3.8, or that many of your countries were smaller in population than many of our large metropolitan areas. As far as American Imperial aspirations go, all I can say is if we were imperial…you wouldn’t have that pesky French-German-English problem now, would you? Our problem is we keep conquering Europe and giving it back. All kidding aside though, I found that older Europeans valued American contributions to western civilization, vis a vis WWII… and had many a pint on their graciousness. Being the straw in mouth hick that we Americans are… Living in Asia I appreciated the fact that most of them could speak English, if you were nice to them, even learned a little Hangul myself. Just give up the act… we know you all speak English and forcing us to order in French in a cafe in Paris is part of some elaborate inside joke at our expense, and as soon as we are gone you all (or should that be Y’all) go back to speaking English. Seriously though, isn’t our common heritage that of Western Civilization? Who do you want as your closest allies, the communist Chinese? (Oh, sorry, I forgot communist wasn’t a bad word over there).

And if the rest of your posts are this entertaining, I’ll link it.

Cheers!

Finntann

]]> By: Kris http://www.codesqueeze.com/forced-to-write-english-syntax-code-simplicity-or-burden/#comment-1809 Kris Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:34:40 +0000 http://www.codesqueeze.com/forced-to-write-english-syntax-code-simplicity-or-burden/#comment-1809 Jurgen, glad to help. Jurgen, glad to help.

]]> By: Jurgen Appelo http://www.codesqueeze.com/forced-to-write-english-syntax-code-simplicity-or-burden/#comment-1806 Jurgen Appelo Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:43:22 +0000 http://www.codesqueeze.com/forced-to-write-english-syntax-code-simplicity-or-burden/#comment-1806 And so once again Godwin's Law is proven valid. Every discussion ends with a reference to either Nazis or Hitler. @Kris: thanks for closing the thread. And so once again Godwin’s Law is proven valid. Every discussion ends with a reference to either Nazis or Hitler.

@Kris: thanks for closing the thread.

]]> By: Kris http://www.codesqueeze.com/forced-to-write-english-syntax-code-simplicity-or-burden/#comment-1805 Kris Mon, 28 Apr 2008 03:19:32 +0000 http://www.codesqueeze.com/forced-to-write-english-syntax-code-simplicity-or-burden/#comment-1805 Great post, if by great you mean elitist, bigoted and rife with stereotypes. I guess you forgot about our shared history in WWII and the Nazi occupation of Europe? Stupid Americans indeed. Great post, if by great you mean elitist, bigoted and rife with stereotypes. I guess you forgot about our shared history in WWII and the Nazi occupation of Europe? Stupid Americans indeed.

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]]> By: Gregorio Melo http://www.codesqueeze.com/forced-to-write-english-syntax-code-simplicity-or-burden/#comment-1783 Gregorio Melo Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:02:20 +0000 http://www.codesqueeze.com/forced-to-write-english-syntax-code-simplicity-or-burden/#comment-1783 I agree with you when you say that using English makes things easier. If every country would develop a programming language with a syntax close to its own spoken language, there would be no future at all for the software development at all. Imagine all the discussions we now see on forums, maillists, IRC channel... Programmers helping each other No outsourcing (some may say it is not good, but it is a fact). No specialists lecturing on another country (of course, with a different language than his). But I do disagree with one thing... You made me believe that this stupidity belongs only to the citizens of the U.S. And that means only about thinking of the other parts of the world. Well, I have had some working experiences in Germany and met people from many different places... Brazil, my country, is quite famous, but MOST of the Europeans I've met think that we speak Spanish and our capital city is Rio de Janeiro (and, sadly, that we fuck in every corner). This is pretty much the same thought of the Americans. And we have this here as well... Ask a Brazilian what is the capital of Australia... he/she will promptly say Sidney. But I would like to point out a question... Why do people all over the world think that "America" is exactly the same as the U.S.? Do they forget that Carlos Gonzalez lives in Ecuador (which is in the American continent)? Is this because of Stallone and his Rambo? BTW, very interesting post. I agree with you when you say that using English makes things easier. If every country would develop a programming language with a syntax close to its own spoken language, there would be no future at all for the software development at all.
Imagine all the discussions we now see on forums, maillists, IRC channel…
Programmers helping each other
No outsourcing (some may say it is not good, but it is a fact).
No specialists lecturing on another country (of course, with a different language than his).

But I do disagree with one thing… You made me believe that this stupidity belongs only to the citizens of the U.S. And that means only about thinking of the other parts of the world. Well, I have had some working experiences in Germany and met people from many different places… Brazil, my country, is quite famous, but MOST of the Europeans I’ve met think that we speak Spanish and our capital city is Rio de Janeiro (and, sadly, that we fuck in every corner). This is pretty much the same thought of the Americans. And we have this here as well… Ask a Brazilian what is the capital of Australia… he/she will promptly say Sidney.

But I would like to point out a question… Why do people all over the world think that “America” is exactly the same as the U.S.? Do they forget that Carlos Gonzalez lives in Ecuador (which is in the American continent)? Is this because of Stallone and his Rambo?

BTW, very interesting post.

]]> By: Matt http://www.codesqueeze.com/forced-to-write-english-syntax-code-simplicity-or-burden/#comment-1778 Matt Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:56:39 +0000 http://www.codesqueeze.com/forced-to-write-english-syntax-code-simplicity-or-burden/#comment-1778 Wow, it was just as much fun reading the comments as it was reading the article. Everyone got very defensive when you offered your point of view. Seems pretty typical these days...just look at the recent film released by a Dutch government guy or the cartoons from last year. I am actually an American living in Amsterdam and completely understand your point. I have lived here for 3 years and haven't even attempted to learn Dutch (even signed mortgage documents that were completely in Dutch, relying on the translator to tell me it was ok). When I teach different software classes here, I hear the students talking to each other in 4 or 5 different languages. I almost feel guilty that the APIs we use are all in English, but I am relieved to hear you say that using English in programming languages is a good thing. Oh, and for Bob Nystrom. I would be as surprised if most AMERICANS could place all 50 states on a map as I would if most Europeans could place all "50???" european countries on a map. Wow, it was just as much fun reading the comments as it was reading the article. Everyone got very defensive when you offered your point of view. Seems pretty typical these days…just look at the recent film released by a Dutch government guy or the cartoons from last year. I am actually an American living in Amsterdam and completely understand your point. I have lived here for 3 years and haven’t even attempted to learn Dutch (even signed mortgage documents that were completely in Dutch, relying on the translator to tell me it was ok). When I teach different software classes here, I hear the students talking to each other in 4 or 5 different languages. I almost feel guilty that the APIs we use are all in English, but I am relieved to hear you say that using English in programming languages is a good thing.

Oh, and for Bob Nystrom. I would be as surprised if most AMERICANS could place all 50 states on a map as I would if most Europeans could place all “50???” european countries on a map.

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