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		<title>By: Karl Katzke</title>
		<link>http://www.codesqueeze.com/are-developers-secret-santas-of-the-information-age/#comment-951</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Katzke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 01:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Never have I seen a musician announce they have created a musical riff to allow anyone to sample, and I highly doubt the creator of the artificial heart didn’t ask for a dime.&quot;

Yes, actually, frequently this happens in Rap. Or did you not know that Jay-Z created a track-only (no vocals) part of his Black Album and distributed it freely? Famously, it was used to create DJ Danger Mouse&#039;s &quot;Grey Album&quot; by mixing in clips harvested from the Beatles&#039; &quot;White Album&quot;. Music is, quite possibly, the first open-source, attribution-only field. Musicians count on their &#039;sound&#039; to come through and be their signature, which is why you don&#039;t usually hear the attribution. Heck, if you&#039;ve ever done any learning about Jazz as a musical style you&#039;ll learn that most Jazz musicians can immediately sit down and &#039;groove&#039; with fellow musicians because they typically play &#039;riffs&#039; off of a common song -- one of the most common is &#039;The Flintstones&#039; theme. 

Open-source developers are usually responsible for their own grandstanding and credit-taking because the source code is abstracted in the end and you don&#039;t necessarily have that &#039;sound&#039; to rely on to communicate the original author to the end user.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Never have I seen a musician announce they have created a musical riff to allow anyone to sample, and I highly doubt the creator of the artificial heart didn’t ask for a dime.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, actually, frequently this happens in Rap. Or did you not know that Jay-Z created a track-only (no vocals) part of his Black Album and distributed it freely? Famously, it was used to create DJ Danger Mouse&#8217;s &#8220;Grey Album&#8221; by mixing in clips harvested from the Beatles&#8217; &#8220;White Album&#8221;. Music is, quite possibly, the first open-source, attribution-only field. Musicians count on their &#8217;sound&#8217; to come through and be their signature, which is why you don&#8217;t usually hear the attribution. Heck, if you&#8217;ve ever done any learning about Jazz as a musical style you&#8217;ll learn that most Jazz musicians can immediately sit down and &#8216;groove&#8217; with fellow musicians because they typically play &#8216;riffs&#8217; off of a common song &#8212; one of the most common is &#8216;The Flintstones&#8217; theme. </p>
<p>Open-source developers are usually responsible for their own grandstanding and credit-taking because the source code is abstracted in the end and you don&#8217;t necessarily have that &#8217;sound&#8217; to rely on to communicate the original author to the end user.</p>
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		<title>By: Troy Tuttle</title>
		<link>http://www.codesqueeze.com/are-developers-secret-santas-of-the-information-age/#comment-948</link>
		<dc:creator>Troy Tuttle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 17:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would we even have an artificial heart if the developer of that device didn&#039;t get paid for the investment of time and expenses?

There is a time and place for donating and helping, but nothing motivates people like rewards and compensation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would we even have an artificial heart if the developer of that device didn&#8217;t get paid for the investment of time and expenses?</p>
<p>There is a time and place for donating and helping, but nothing motivates people like rewards and compensation.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Pool</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Pool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 07:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I am overestimating our impact.  After a little more thought, perhaps the greatest gift to the Information Era are blogs.  Now everyone is donating their time, intelligence, and conversation regardless of occupation or interests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I am overestimating our impact.  After a little more thought, perhaps the greatest gift to the Information Era are blogs.  Now everyone is donating their time, intelligence, and conversation regardless of occupation or interests.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 06:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect it&#039;s a bit like hobbies such as woodworking or drawing -- for the enjoyment.  Plus there&#039;s a kick from participating in group effort.  And for working coders, it&#039;s refreshing to do something without concern for the evaluation of a client or boss, but only for that of your peers.
While OSS projects certainly have contributed to the improvement, or at least expansion, of information technology, there&#039;s no comparison in impact between this and, say, pro bono legal work to help redress injustices perpetrated against the weak, scientific research leading to relief from disease and pain, or even something as simple as volunteer work at a hospice or homeless shelter.
I think you are overestimating the importance of our work.  We&#039;re making tools, here.  As satisfying as that may be, they are still just tools used to accomplish meaningful work more efficiently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect it&#8217;s a bit like hobbies such as woodworking or drawing &#8212; for the enjoyment.  Plus there&#8217;s a kick from participating in group effort.  And for working coders, it&#8217;s refreshing to do something without concern for the evaluation of a client or boss, but only for that of your peers.<br />
While OSS projects certainly have contributed to the improvement, or at least expansion, of information technology, there&#8217;s no comparison in impact between this and, say, pro bono legal work to help redress injustices perpetrated against the weak, scientific research leading to relief from disease and pain, or even something as simple as volunteer work at a hospice or homeless shelter.<br />
I think you are overestimating the importance of our work.  We&#8217;re making tools, here.  As satisfying as that may be, they are still just tools used to accomplish meaningful work more efficiently.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Egozi</title>
		<link>http://www.codesqueeze.com/are-developers-secret-santas-of-the-information-age/#comment-940</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Egozi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I did put a secret time bomb in aspview that would make your application to halt and will convert all your beautiful markup to table-tags-with-propriety-attributes, should you not send me a really large paypal donation.
Or at least a 500g steak with two pints of ale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I did put a secret time bomb in aspview that would make your application to halt and will convert all your beautiful markup to table-tags-with-propriety-attributes, should you not send me a really large paypal donation.<br />
Or at least a 500g steak with two pints of ale.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is one reason that developers give these rather unique contributions to the community, and that is one of community improvement.  Whenever a project is improved, it makes everyone&#039;s life easier.  For example frameworks: web development wouldn&#039;t be anywhere near as easy as it is today without them and I&#039;m sure the framework developers benefit from their own frameworks too.
I think being able to help our craft grow more easily is another reason, and a bigger one than the above.  It&#039;s painful for me to know some people are out there cutting code that&#039;s existed for years, they just need to look for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is one reason that developers give these rather unique contributions to the community, and that is one of community improvement.  Whenever a project is improved, it makes everyone&#8217;s life easier.  For example frameworks: web development wouldn&#8217;t be anywhere near as easy as it is today without them and I&#8217;m sure the framework developers benefit from their own frameworks too.<br />
I think being able to help our craft grow more easily is another reason, and a bigger one than the above.  It&#8217;s painful for me to know some people are out there cutting code that&#8217;s existed for years, they just need to look for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Pool</title>
		<link>http://www.codesqueeze.com/are-developers-secret-santas-of-the-information-age/#comment-938</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Pool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 13:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John - 

I&#039;ll agree with the fact not every developer gives back into the community via OSS, blogs, forums, or what-have-you, I think this is true for any occupation.  I also agree that other people can love their jobs (unless you are an accountant, I really don&#039;t see how anyone can love that job).

Developers (when they do give back) do so in such a unique way that I can&#039;t seem to find another equivalent online. 

If we were speaking about offline the Peace Corps would walk all over any occupation in my book...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John &#8211; </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll agree with the fact not every developer gives back into the community via OSS, blogs, forums, or what-have-you, I think this is true for any occupation.  I also agree that other people can love their jobs (unless you are an accountant, I really don&#8217;t see how anyone can love that job).</p>
<p>Developers (when they do give back) do so in such a unique way that I can&#8217;t seem to find another equivalent online. </p>
<p>If we were speaking about offline the Peace Corps would walk all over any occupation in my book&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John Chapman</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Chapman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 13:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as I would really like to believe this, I just don&#039;t agree with it.  I think the people you speak of are less than 1% of the developer community.  You&#039;re giving too much credit to the vast majority of developers out there.  Most of the developers I&#039;ve worked with or interacted with, would not do such things.

I think there are many people in each profession, doctor, musicians, whatever, where they don&#039;t do it for the money and fame, but rather a love for their &quot;craft&quot;.  Keep in mind that the vast majority of musicians don&#039;t make much money.  They actually live pretty tough lives, but say they do it because they love the music.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as I would really like to believe this, I just don&#8217;t agree with it.  I think the people you speak of are less than 1% of the developer community.  You&#8217;re giving too much credit to the vast majority of developers out there.  Most of the developers I&#8217;ve worked with or interacted with, would not do such things.</p>
<p>I think there are many people in each profession, doctor, musicians, whatever, where they don&#8217;t do it for the money and fame, but rather a love for their &#8220;craft&#8221;.  Keep in mind that the vast majority of musicians don&#8217;t make much money.  They actually live pretty tough lives, but say they do it because they love the music.</p>
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